The siege of Herbalife

“WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS?”

LearningRX Complaints: Falsified Test Results
The company realized he might be preparing a public short. He could have me bring in my husband, parents , grandparents and my entire extended family! I was in a LearningRx center in an administrative position. I have read countless books, studies and articles. While judges and economists have proposed other definitions, most boil down to this: I dont have any vested interest in these products.

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He said it was very important to remember that our success as a center relies on results found in the final tests and that basically my paycheck relied on seeing growth in the final tests. The excuse was that I was not administering the test correctly. All of the results I thought my own students were achieving were false. The director was willing to trick parents and manipulate a credible test like the WJIII to make money.

I would advise buyer beware. I also was in management with LearningRx. Let me start by saying, I worked at two different locations each with different owners. I started as a receptionist and tester and worked my way up to Assistant Director. Everything from falsifying test scores to trying to make her employees claim they were independent contractors….

Standardized assessments like the initial and supplemental tests are not meant to be given more than once a year. LearningRx gives them every months. This allows the student to get a higher than average score on the test…. If you are not familiar with the system, the entrance test and exit test is identical. LearningRX bases success on whether or not the person being trained moves beyond what they are initially able to complete on the test.

So, on paper and according to their guarantee, their program has worked. However, there was absolutely NO improvement in any of the areas that had been discussed during the initial visit! My daughter went through this program at the beginning of this year… now that she is in 8th grade everything has just gone downhill. She has worse grades than ever and has dozens of missing assignments. So I feel like I threw away 7, dollars on the product that has no true guarantee.

Are LearningRX trainers and testers under pressure to return positive results, even if it requires questionable tactics? I read the article you referred to. The owners all live in very nice houses. Ken Gibson lives on a hill west of Colorado Springs in a mansion that overlooks the city. I think Kim Hanson was a school teacher. I think she lives in Monument, Colorado.

Tanya Mitchell is a liar. See her pretending to be someone else at the top of this thread. The fact that LRX LearningRx Learning RX did their own pre- and post-testing; that I personally saw cheating on these tests; that one of the people in my center saw cheating while visiting other centers; that the director of training in the corporate center in Colorado Springs told me that she plays tricks with final testing to get good results this is the center on Woodmen Rd in Colorado Springs, Colorado and is owned by the home office and was run by Tanya Michell at one point all point to this result.

I hope the franchisees bring a civil lawsuit and get some of their money back. It is terrible that nice people some are very nice are harmed in this. Most franchisees are completely unqualified to talk about the brain or brain research. There is a post online about a franchisee who was a former hairdresser. I tried to tone down the claims made at my center. Then left after waiting too long. I told the director that before the program started, it sounded like this was all that was ever needed and the problem would be solved forever, but then at the end there would be a sell job about how customers needed more or needed to come back before the start of middle school or high school or college.

I told him that the claims made in the literature could not be made based on the research that had been done. LearningRx itself said that to do the research of in-center training would cost millions, so they created a digital product and tested that — probably still in progress.

They can make no claims. I told the home office that I had seen cheating on testing. Now, I hope that the damage in my community can be undone. Word needs to be spread. I will try to spread it. By the by, Lumosity also was making claims that had to be removed from their website. I still think brain exercise is a good thing. Lumosity is much less expensive. But as I said above, you can create your own brain exercises. The Learningrx family is repugnant and Machiavellian in associating their company religious values of wanting to help children because it requires you to rely on faith rather than science and it leads you to believe they are good people when they are simply predators pulling your emotional strings.

I think all prospective franchisees, prospective customers, and prospective business partners of LearningRx should read those comments thoroughly. Those comments are substantially and pervasively true. The FTC got it right in this case. As a specific example, I was working on an advertising piece, when I asked the home office for citations to support the claims I had written into the piece. The claims were all copied from other LearningRx marketing materials, I found out that the claims were not at all supported by science.

They could give me no references, no citations, nothing — not a single one. I killed the piece and THAT moment was the beginning of the end for me as a franchisee. After that, I continued on as a franchisee, but the scales started to fall from my eyes and I saw the depth of the deceptions and the conflicts of interest built into the business.

I believe LearningRx is full of good people doing bad things because of these built in conflicts of interest and well-meaning ignorance. I think the home office is more culpable than the franchisees themselves: These are the folks that created the business model; these are the folks that enforce it.

I think another perspective is important to capture — the perspective of the former franchisee as a franchisee — from franchisee training to opening the business to running the business. I am writing a document targeted at current and prospective franchisees. Today is a big day.

We are posting the final drafts of each of the sections of the document referred to in the previous post. These will be posted one after another, then consolidated into one longer document to be posted together.

We warn you in advance that there will be a lot of posts. If you are considering becoming a LearningRx Learning RX franchisee, this material will help you with your due diligence. If you are a past, present, or future customer of LearningRx, this material will help you understand the LearningRx business and product.

It will also help you understand the conflicts that affect you as a customer. If you are a competing product or service, some of these conflicts may apply to your business also. As a former franchisee, we are creating this document to help current and future franchisees understand the inherent conflicts in the LearningRx Business Model.

Conflicts of interests abound within this business model and these conflicts explain much of what franchisees do within this system. We wish we had been told these things before we wasted good time and money inside this business.

By the by, these materials are written and edited by one of us and reviewed and edited by the other. One of the things I am struggling with is mixing first person singular I and first person plural we as I write.

The previous post mixed these. It should be plural we. I suspect, there will be times when we will intentionally use first personal singular I because only one of us observed or experienced that particular item.

Imagine you are starting LearningRx Franchisee Training today. You arrived in Colorado Springs last night. You have two weeks ahead of you. As you walk across from the Marriott Hotel on Centennial Drive to the LearningRx home office, you turn around and notice how tall and beautiful Pikes Peak is in the morning sunlight — so beautiful!

There is a bounce in your step as you walk in the front door, rise up the stairs and walk straight into the training room. As we help you imagine opening and running your business, we are going to refer back to these two weeks of training frequently. During the flight home, you will daydream about all the children — all the moms — all the families — you are going to help.

You know how much work you have ahead of you, but you also know it will be worth it. Your heart is so full of passion and expectation for this business that you cannot wait to start helping others.

Before you know it, the business is ready, the doors are open, the marketing mailers are hitting mailboxes, and you are trying not to watch the phone as you wait for it to ring off the hook. Then it happens, the phone rings! It is a potential customer! As you can tell, these materials are written from your perspective as a new franchisee. You imagine and feel the weight of the conflicts of interest that you will face as a new franchisee as they arise in your own franchise business.

We can write these things because these were our collective experience. You remember from training that Kim Hanson daughter of the founder told you how to answer the phones.

These are the rules:. It will tell you why Sarah is struggling. The assessment takes about one hour. Your goal is simple though not as easy as it sounds sometimes , avoid answering questions such as cost and program duration or how the program works by taking control of the conversation.

Your goal is to get the parent to schedule an assessment. As a parent, you want to call LearningRx to get a no-hassle answer to your quick questions so that you can decide whether you are interested. As a franchisee, you want to postpone answers about cost, program duration, or how the program works until the consultation because you are much more likely to have the interaction result in a sale.

As a potential franchisee, you should read from beginning to end as part of your due diligence. You want to deliver on that promise and get your first customer.

But are even qualified to administer a cognitive skills assessment? At Franchisee Training, three or six months ago now, Dean Tenpas son-in-law of the founder gave you less than a day of training on how to do Woodcock-Johnson assessments. Each test was explained briefly, demonstrated, and then you got a bit of time to practice. At the end of the training session, you were told that to finish your certification to become an assessor that you must administer three additional assessments on your own without any oversight or correction just to get practice.

By personality, I am organized, methodical, diligent, and persistent; I wanted to do assessments perfectly. Many, many, many of the assessments we did had unintential errors in the administering and scoring of the test. She told me that the standards to become certified at the university were significantly higher than those at LearningRx. The university required more training, more practice, and more oversight to ensuring that the assessment practices were consistent with all testing norms.

She said that despite all of my efforts, she still found errors in how the test was administered and scored in my center.

As a parent, you are entrusting your child to be assessed by a certified professional assessor because you want the test results to be valid. As a franchisee, you are not qualified to do assessments with so little training and so little oversight. You are even less qualified to teach and oversee others as you delegate these responsibilities within your business.

The assessor must never want the assessment instrument to show any particular result — whether good or bad. Yet every employee in your LearningRx center knows that a low initial assessment score is more likely to result in a parent signing up for brain training.

Thus, there is an inherent bias toward a child performing poorly on the initial assessment in every LearningRx center. Keep reading to learn that the attitude of the franchisee, trainers, and assessors all LearningRx employees is very different when it comes to final assessments.

This difference is explicit, noticeable, and substantial. As a parent, you are entrusting your child to be assessed by an unbiased certified professional assessor. You expect the assessor to be completely objective and the results to be as accurate and reliable as possible. As a franchisee, you know you are more likely to get a client if the scores are low. Thus, by definition, you are biased in that you want the test to lead to a customer as often as possible. When you were at Franchisee Training, Ken Gibson himself the company founder came in to show you how to recommend brain training programs based on the intake form and assessment results.

The process as taught is really quite simple: These programs can typically be increased in increments of four weeks. In Franchisee Training, every single example client result resulted in a recommendation. This was presented as a goal for all of us franchisees — sign almost everyone up for a program. However, this is not a burger franchise. This is a business where you are offering a professional service based on your supposed expertise. What does an hour or two of Franchisee training do to make you an expert in assessing Sarah?

The sad answer to these questions is that you are an not an expert in any of these. Jodi Jedlicka — franchisee in Wisconsin — might be able to say she has some of these qualifications.

With few exceptions, franchisees are pretenders. They are told to speak with confidence in areas where they lack even basic training, knowledge, and skills. As a franchisee, you present yourself as an expert with the qualifications to advise parents.

Franchisee training leaves you unqualified in at least these ways relative to advising clients:. I rewrote the previous two sections as I wrote subsequent sections. Here is a better version of each. Franchisee training is two weeks long. If all of these two weeks were completely devoted to understanding brain science, understanding cognitive skills, and interpeting assessment results, you would still be unqualified to advise parents on these matters.

No time will be spent in franchise training on brain science, whether anatomical or functional. Very little time will be spent understanding what science can tell us about cognitive skills such as memory, working memory, long-term memory, attention skills, processing speed, auditory processing, visual processing, and logic. Very little time will be spent understanding how to interpret assessment results which involves linking assessment results to the real-life struggles of children.

As a franchisee, you present yourself as an expert with the qualifications to advise parents when you lack these credentials. It is ironic but true. Without knowing anything else about Sarah or her mom or dad , let me answer this question for her: Ken Gibson the founder of LearningRx taught you how to recommend programs during Franchisee Training.

The process is really quite simple:. The intake form and by talking to them in the consultation to be discussed in a later section. In Franchisee Training, every single example client result discussed resulted in a recommendation. In this she said that Sarah struggles were related to attention and memory.

Thus, she needs at least 12 weeks of the ThinkRx program. Thus, Amit needs at least 24 weeks of the ReadRx program. Johan needs at least 36 weeks of the MathRx and ReadRx programs. Are there any exceptions at all? The exceptions are those who are unable to receive brain training:. As a franchisee, you believe that everyone — no matter the struggle — no matter the skill level — needs your service.

Thus, you will almost always recommend a program. And you must do this with confidence. Thus, LearningRx teaches you a simplistic understanding of the linkages between assessment results and real-life struggles.

This is necessary so that a brain training franchisee can be a former hair dresser advising people about remediating cognitive deficiencies. However, even if the assessment scores are both above the 50th percentile, if the parent says reading is a struggle, you will recommend ReadRx. This means that even if the child is over 50th percentile in these scores, the franchisee will figure out some other sensible-sounding reason that underlying cognitive skills are causing the struggles with attention skills.

However, even if the assessment scores are both above the 50th percentile, if the parent says attention skills are a struggle, you will recommend a LearningRx training program. The linkage in this case is supposedly that the child is not good at making good, reasoned choices and is choosing not to pay attention.

This is sometimes very difficult because the scores are too good , but you will usually have a couple days to figure out something that sounds plausible. The assessment does not measure morality.

And, worse, an immoral person with an improved logic and reasoning score may do more harm in the world rather than less. At Franchisee Training, you received a full day of training on how to lead a successful consultation. The home office defines a successful consultation as one that results in a new client. This is very important to the business health of every LearningRx center because this is when a prospective client becomes an actual client.

The consultation starts with information gathering and discussion. The franchisee asks questions, listens, takes notes, and expresses empathy. You might wonder why this would be the case when you as a franchisee already have the intake form and assessment results.

The reason is that parents express emotions when they share these things about their children. It is one thing to write on a form that Sarah struggles to pay attention, but to tell this to someone else often results in mom feeling anguish, desperation, or sadness. As a franchisee, you want to hear the following from mom:. However many trainers will just if not working in a gym not bother with REPs and not bother keeping quals up t date, these are not trainers Id ever reccomend.

So to say you dont need to be qualified to give and sell Herbalife I totally disagree with you, anyone can read parrot fashion out of a book, but understanding it is a totally different matter all together and why qualifications are important! As for Pyramid selling, I know Herbalife and Avon and Kleeneze hate the word, but that is exactly what it is, they prefer the word network marketing, wrapping it up in fancy wording, but at the end of the day it is pyramid selling.

You buy into the product, you get another 10 people to sign up to it, they each then get another 10 people and so on. Then once the people under you start selling product you get a bit of commision off their sales as well as selling to your clients. I fell into it when I was younger, I stopped thinking about what I knew and sold a product instead, replace your breakfast and lunch with a milkshake, take some soybeans and eat a normal meal in the evening.

This totally goes against every course on nutrtion you can go on and totally against what I learnt in my degree. So I stand by what I say, Ive posted a response to all your comments on the 24Fit Club Swindon Page and it was deleted, you have posted your comment on here and I have activated it for the public to see as I unlike the organisers of Fit Club Swindon have nothing to hide.

Maybe they could answer my question on what qualifications each of them have besides Dan, in Nutrition, fitness and running coaching? And then if each of them apart from Dan is actually insured? Something they have been very keen to not answer. Herbalife does not work, and to say you cant change the state of the food you eat is a joke… If you cant stop yourself from eating a big mac, every week then you are going to get overweight, if you cant control the amount of calories going inside you and cant make the effort to go out and exercise then you will get fat, all these are state of mind, you control you mind and therefore your destiny, you can chose to be fat or chose to be slim!

Eating sensibly and having an active lifestyle is how it is done! You dont need Herbalife or anyother diet, you need to just eat the correct food, the correct amount and stay active.

Sit on the sofa and eat crisps all day will put weight on, and you dont need a degree to understand that. Life choices — Thats all it needs, not DIEts. Your comments are amusing, Pyramid selling is illegal and has been for some time, Again if you knew Herbalife you would know its not a Diet!!!

Herbalife are successfully doing something about it, what are you doing? Herbalife have already been taken to court and kicked out of one European country for being a pyramid selling company, so already in the eyes of the legal system they have broken the law. Herbalife is a meal replacement system that lowers calorie intake by the person taking it, shake for breakfast, and shake for lunch followed by an evening meal… You are a personal trainer, any trainer taking up the likes of Herbalife, LighterLife or anyother Diet or meal replacement is selling out their industry and knowledge!!!!

You were tought in your personal training course about nutrition, you should as a trainer know Diets dont work long term, and the only trainers that take on the likes of Herbalife dont really care about their clients, they just care about selling cheap low grade protein for over priced costs. Herbalife is nothing but a get rich scheme, interested in money not the people it claims to want to help! What is my solution? I have already set up a foundation for health in my local town, getting real results, no diets, no meal replacements!

Its about education, showing why Herbalife and other diets dont work and exercise with long term lifestyle changes. Obviously you have no idea about the industry you claim to be in and have sold the fitness industry out with CRAP from Herbalife. I think Mike you are totally right in everything you have said about herbalife, these diets do not work, i should know have tried them all at some point, the only thing that works is eat less exercise more ta dah not that hard put like that lol.

The Canadian Department of Justice filed numerous criminal charges against Herbalife for false medical claims and misleading advertising practices in Herbalife was cited by the U. Is this really a company that you would want to get advice and products from??? I dont think so… Stick to getting fitness and weight loss advice from fitness professionals offering a service that gives good solid and sound fitness and nutritional advice and does not rely on meal replacement low calorie diets.

Some people experience unpleasant side effects when using various Herbalife products. These are described and addressed in this article for your safety and well-being.

If you experience bloating, try changing the portion size to reduce this feeling. Enjoy healthy snacks during the day and smaller meals to assist your digestion.

If you are using the shake mix as a meal replacement you may want to reduce the portion size or frequency. Some people report that their mouth is dry after black or fruit tea. Detox products often produce thirst so you can try increasing your intake of water. Dryness from using the shakes can be caused by acid reflux since it contains guar gum and psyllium husk. These have expanding properties, which can cause reflux. Guar bean is high in protein and oil and guar gum is used worldwide in many beverages, foods and supplements.

In significant quantities, guar gum dehydrates the body and can cause some serious side effects. However, it is regulated by the FDA who only permits extremely small quantities of it in food.

Guar gum in the shake mix is used to emulsify or bind the particles and has been determined to be of insignificant quantities. Palpitations may be from caffeine sensitivity. The tea does have caffeine in it so you could either stop using the tea or eventually you will get used to caffeine and the palpations should recede. The shake mix does not contain any caffeine. In the nineties it was found that Ephedra caused increased heart rate and Herbalife discontinued using Ephedra in any of its products.

Upset Stomach, Headache and Fevers: In the first few days, many years of accumulated toxins and waste in the body begin to be expelled. Diarrhea, headaches, fever or nausea can arise. These are temporary symptoms and will subside whether you continue the diet or not. The discomfort is not very common but happens to some people.

Once you are detoxified you should feel great however. The body has toxins or free radicals surrounded by fat molecules, and when burning these fat molecules, the toxins are released into the bloodstream for elimination.

They circulate through the body and are filtered out by the kidneys and liver. This can take up to 2 weeks. Areas where toxins and pollutants are expelled from the body can display reactions. You can first use a detoxification program to cleanse your system before starting the weight loss program if you wish. Unpleasant-Smelling Urine or Perspiration: This is another possible reaction to the body cleansing that is not caused by the products, but the waste you are cleaning out.

The products are working just as they should. Allergic Reaction and Blocked Sinuses: People who are very allergic to fish need to know that some Herbalife products contain fish oil. See a medical specialist to determine if this is an allergic reaction. Sinuses are especially sensitive because they are soft tissue.

Sinus irritations should clear in 1 to 3 weeks but if they get worse, discontinue using the product and consult a medical professional.

Beware of nutrient deficiency when losing weight. The Herbalife ShapeWorks program recommends that along with the 2 shakes and one healthy meal, you should add the Multivitamins and Cell Activator to ensure that you are getting enough nutrition. Cell Activator helps increase your nutrient absorption from food.

Caffeine in green tea is not the same as in coffee. It is slower-acting and has a calmer quality. But if you feel too stimulated try half a cup instead of a whole cup for a while. This might indicate an allergic reaction to an ingredient in the Herbalife products.

Please show your doctor the product labels and ask his advice. It would be best to discontinue using the product until you know what the cause of your swelling is. If you are using Cell-U-Loss, try discontinuing it and see if that reduces your symptoms. If so, then Cell-U-Loss is not for you. If acidity persists when you are not taking it, there is some other cause. Cell-U-Loss contains 3 ingredients which may be causing the acidity: It also contains herbs that have diuretic properties such as couch grass and corn silk extract.

Total Control the metabolism booster carries a warning to not be used by the pregnant, lactating or those that want to get pregnant. Rapid weight loss and stimulants during breastfeeding can release too many toxins into your blood stream and thus into your milk. This can cause a decrease in your milk supply and be unhealthy for your baby.

Avoid the stimulants in Total Control and the Herbal Tea, which contain caffeine. Herbalife products have nutrition labels that show warnings to guide women who are pregnant, nursing or who may become pregnant. These are the most commonly reported side-effects that happen when the body is de-toxifying. Redness, blotchy skin and irritation can arise. Your skin being the largest organ, has the most cells to repair and also discharges toxins.

It takes about 2 weeks to cleanse the blood stream and during this time the departing toxins can be irritating. Exercise produces sweat and will release toxins that can irritate the skin. Herbal Aloe Soothing Gel can provide symptomatic relief. Hair Loss or Breakage: Formula 1 Nutritional Shake Mix has been shown to improve skin, hair and nail growth. If you experience hair loss early in your weight loss program, this is because damaged cells are being repaired or replaced.

When beginning a weight loss program, your body will target the most damaged cells. Hair usually has the oldest cells and is thus the first target for renewal. Hair soon becomes healthier than before so you need not worry about this. It is very well known that at the beginning of a diet or fast there may be some adverse side effects. These usually subside within a few weeks however. If you detoxify for a few days using plain water, fruit or vegetables you will also experience some side effects.

When we have better nutrition, or when toxic substances such as coffee, tea, chocolate, tobacco, salt, and pepper are discontinued, amazing changes take place.

Our bodies discard the lower grade materials and tissues to make room for newer, healthier ones. An ideal weight-loss rate is between 3 and 5 pounds per week. If you lose weight gradually and are getting proper nutrition, it will stay off. Moderate exercise like walking is necessary to get the fat burning process going. Adequate hydration drinking water regularly is essential to flush the toxins. Do not try to stop any Herbalife side effects by taking drugs.

Either let the healing take its natural course or stop using the product if you experience an allergic reaction. Herbalife is the leading nutritional company in the world. Very funny… Doctors with PHDs are all on the payroll and bias to Herbalife, so wouldnt trust anyone of them as far as I could throw them! I know many Premiership players who are supposed to drink Lucuozade and they may have a bottle but take a different product, because they dont think much of Lucozade, there are many body builders sponsored by MetRex again they dont take it, they just take the money and say its great, they lie, dont buy into sponsorship endorsements too much especially in the suppliment world.

I got suckered into Herbalife years ago, dazelled I guess by the promise of fast cars and big houses with the ultimate business model, but this only works if you get lots of people signing up under you as distributors, so you get bullied into getting anyone to sign up but I wasnt ever going to sign anyone up that wasnt qualified… Then I took a long hard look at what I was selling, and realised it went against everything I have learnt as a trainer and sports scientist.

So Ive failed in business??? I have my own gym, I have a successful Bootcamp Franchise, I train athletes and celebs, I have members in my swindon Bootcamp alone and am a professional ultra endurance athlete who has apeared on the cover of several fintenss and running magazines around the world, so yeh if thats what you mean by a failure then I must be a failure….

Funny how all the Herbalife distributors that drive around selling the get rich dream actually just seem to be driving around in Ford KAs lol. As they say the proof is in the pudding, so many people getting sick from this silly product!!! People need to be educated on real food.. Can healthy food make you sick? There is no quick fix.. Eat healthy and exercise. I work as a personal trainer and bootcamp instructor. I dont know everything about nutrition and I am learning new stuff all the time, but i did study it for 4 years at uni.

You know i used to sell herbalife and yes it does help people lose weight but you have to ask the question is it sustainable and is it healthy? Excitotoxins are damaging to the brain and the heart as they make both organs overwork.

Both substances have been linked with conditions such as asthma, MS, fibromyalgia, migraines, and heart arrhythmias.

Children are particularly affected by them and intoxication symptoms present themselves as hyperactivity. Food labels are not allowed to include MSG any longer as it is renowned to be damaging to health, yet you will find it under different names. Yes, the same substance, just named differently!

I know, this kind of sneakiness should be considered criminal! Soy protein isolate Soy protein concentrate Autolyzed yeast Corn syrup Modified food starch Corn starch. With herbalife its easier for people to make in the morning and lunch time.

There has been lots of research now about the amount of estrogen in soy milk. You have to look at the positives, they will be alot more men joining the tenners male voice choir. The best way to lose weight is to exercise 3 times per week, doing a combination of bodyweight, kettlebell exercises and mixed up into a fun circuit, eating meat, fish twice per week, plenty of vegetables, and snack on a handful of nuts a fruit, drink plenty of water 1litre to every 25kg of bodyweight, fasting once per week is fantastic way to reduce insulin levels, burn fat reserves, it triggers hypertrophy with increase in growth hormone.

Sometimes its unrelated to weight. Herbalife is fucking pyramid with people foolish enough to buy in their pyramid scheme, scripted fuckers.

Mike I would love to say that I agree with one thing you had to say about Herbalife. I have read a fair amount of your blogs, and I have come to the conclusion that you are a quite intelligent person. I wonder though what happened to you, or better put, how you were wronged by someone in the Herbalife business, for you to post such a bias, non factual article.

I have been on the Herbalife products now since Oct. I have lost 73lbs, gained 21 lbs. I also used to suffer from horrible joint pain, and Acid Reflux, both of which are gone. I have hired professionals in the past, personal trainers, nutritionists, I have even had Medical Physicians set me up on a meal plan.

These are facts, and I know they are because they have happened to me. Its also to my understanding that any company regulated by the FDA has to follow mega dosing laws as well as labeling laws. Herbalife is FDA regulated.

My deepest apology to you for however you were wronged. I wonder if you do not mind responding, What supplements do you recommend for and athlete, or a serious body builder? Thanks for your time! Any diet is wrong and does not sustain and work long term, sensible eating, and exercise is the only way weight loss is sustainable long term. GPs give out meal plans all the time and are not trained nutritionist and should not give out nutritional advice just as much as Herbalife distributors should not be allowed to give out nutritional advice.

A company that sells the distributorship of a nutrition product to any tom dick or harry is taking advantage of an unregulated industry and dangerous. As for your question about products for athletes or body builders, I have used many of the top brands, USN, LA Muscle, MetRex and many more but found a smaller UK based company called ISO2 Nutrition who after trailing their product over the past 3yrs I beleive they are the best on the market.

Not only do they work but taste good too. I have breakfast with Herablife Formula 1 since and I lost 8 kilos in a very easy way. And this products improve my energy!!!! It took you 2yrs to loose just 8kgs? A Diet is where you lower calories and or replace food for such things like these shakes. It is a diet and there is nothing but cheap low grade soy protein in these shakes, if you eat properly and regulary exercise you loose weight become lean and improve your fitness.

Long term, dieting and replacing meals for shakes lowers your metabolism and long term does you more harm than good! This is totally untrue. Please contact me with issues you have concerning Herbalife or what other Distributors have offered you and said to you.

Ive had many clients come to me after the long term failure of the likes of Herbalife, and have put them into a healthy eating plan and exercise regime that works, a true lifestyle change, no diets! This sort of product should not be allowed to be sold by unqualified people with no nutritional qualifications! Herbalife are a law upon themselves along with other companies like them and should be regulated.

Wow, stirred up something here! Firstly just want to say that I became a Herbalife distributor earlier this year and in know way was an easy, fast cars, big houses lifestyle ever proposed to me, although I do know that some of their literature does contain pictures along those lines.

As regards the business I do agree with you to a certain extent that some distributors may be selling the products for purley profit and that training should be given if no qualifications in nutrition are held.

As for the products, they are the best range that I found when looking into providing an alternative to my preferred solution of wholesome, natural foods. As a qualified fitness coach, I agree that we should always first and foremost promote healthy eating through natural resources.

The true meaning of diet really just refers to the kind of food lived on, so whatever someone is eating is the diet that they are on at that time. The reason why I decided to provide Herbalife was for 2 reasons.

I still ensure that they eat natural foods along with Herbalife, which is in fact what Herbalife promote. This then is still far better than their previous eating habits. Herbalife for some of them does just that and also with the range Herbalife provide, goes on to support them in any sport or competition that they do.

As for the business side of it from my perspective, I have a supportive upline and will build a downline with that continued support. As a fitness coach and someone who is continually learning about nutrition, I will be able to provide them with the correct information to help their customers.

The products are the same price to the customer at what ever level you buy them. Just as you would with a wholesaler, the more you buy the greater the discount to the distributor. A Pyramid is where the price has to keep continually going up the further down the levels it moves until it reaches a point where the price is so high that the person holding the goods cannot sell on.

Hope that explains a true pyramid scheme. Herbalife is really expanding at this moment in time, even in this recession and that I beleive is because they have realised that by bringing on board health and fit professionals brings more credibilty to their products and ensures that the end consumer is getting the right advice for them.

Everyone is different and mindset that was mentioned in a previous post is what needs to be looked at first. But in Herbalifes case, that was then and this is now and I do know that they are regulated and follow those regulations. I do just wonder whether the regulating bodies are all legit but hey, thats another debate!

Great to hear that you have a made a success of your business and I think that the important thing is that we help the people that come to us in the best way we can, which means that despite our differences, our objectives and purpose are similar. Most distributors are uneducated in the world of nutrition and fitness and should not be allowed to give such advice, Herbalife, LighterLife and all these meal replacement diets out there are a wast of time and money.

None of these work long term. I know what I know because of this and because of 22yrs of working with people from all walks of life, you say about busy life style, find time! Those are the weakest people who need the kick up the arse to be told how it is and to find the time and everyone has time! Its called time management. Taking the easy option because of the thinking of no time to prep meals is just lazy, make meals that can be made on mass and frozen in freezer such as lasagne, tuna pasta bake, things that can be eaten the next day.

Cooking methods, the George Forman Grilling machine cooks in minutes, at the same time steam veg and rice etc to not lose the nutrients in food that is lost when boiling in a pan. These are very quick methods of cooking. No time to shop for food, buy online, then the only food you need to get in the shop is your fruit and veg so you know you get the best — the rest of it can be just picked from online and delivered.

If they cant time manage, they will fail, if they take the easy option of a poweder replacement instead of real food they will fail. Herbalife sports and energy products dont come near the quality and level of brands out there that speicically target sports performance.

Personally Id have a rethink of what you learnt back when you did your PT course, and all other course that show dieting is not good for you, and meal replacement is the worst kind of dieting. Its nothing more than ditching calories. Understand life coaching techniques and work with you clients on a lifestyle level as well as their fitness and weight loss goals.

Mike, you just upset that we give results… and people love our fun fitclubs more than you, get with the program.. Also im sure you have great qualifications, although they dont come close to our NAB members, we have leading scientists. I do love how you people hide behind the internet with fake email addresses and names because you cant back up what you say….

Herbalife have a number of scientists on their payroll — Yes I know this, but if you are on someones payroll you are always going to say they are great as they are paying you to do so!

I can find at least two scientists for every Herbalife payrolled scientist that is independent that will say Herbalife is just a cheap soybased protein meal replacement product diet that does not work long term and that diets over all dont work! Im just a local guy, yes I am, so are the so called scientists you mention, we are all just local people in our local towns lol. A pathetic argument there…. Im not upset with the results Herbalife give people because the results are poor!!

Long term no diet works! So keep on producing the crap you produce and I will pick up the pieces when people realise they dont work along with all the rest of the Personal Trainers that train their clients the correct way. Mike, I completely agree. Their views can hardly be treated as impartial if they are employed by the company and will always be biased. As for the meal replacement bars I was quite horrified with what was on the ingredients list, after soy protein there is a long list of various sugars including high fructose corn syrup and to top it off hydrogenated vegetable oil!

Reads like a recipe for diabetes and heart problems. I am a specialist diabetic nurse. Have 28 years experience of medical nursing and 10 years as a specialist in diabetes with degree and masters qualifications.

I have grave concerns about the claims made by totally unqualified distributors loking to make money. Plese dont claim you are trying to help people. Distributors are making money from the products ales first and foremost. It is al,ost like a cult.

One distributor scribed a severlyunderweight girl who clearly needsmedical care. Probably having electrolyte disturbance due to such low body mass. The products can do real harm in these circumstances. A qualified dietician studies nutrition to degree level.